jeld wen siteline tilt pack replacement vs marvin tilt pac

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jeld wen siteline tilt pack replacement vs marvin tilt pac

#1 Post by cfsull »

I currently have CARADCO alum clad double hung windows and want to replace them. Rather not use insert so as not to lose window glass size. Have looked at both JELD WEN SITE LINE CLAD with sash and jamb liners, and MARVIN TILT PAC.
Any comments as to who is better??

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#2 Post by Windows on Washington »

If you were going to make a commentary across the board, Marvin would typically be regarded as the better manufacturer.

The same would be said for the tilt packs.

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#3 Post by Window4U (IL) »

A caution: tilt-pacs only work in exactly level, plumb and square openings. If the old sashes don't close perfectly square, the new ones won't either.
I have replaced many many tilt-pacs because they don't always do what the homeowner is hoping.

That said, I replace far fewer Marvin tilt-pacs than other brands.
(That's as close to a ringing endorsement as I can give them.)

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#4 Post by HomeSealed »

I'd echo the other guys. I'm not a fan of tilt packs at all, but Marvin is about the best that you'll find.

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#5 Post by TheWindowNerd »

Like the others I do not care for tilt pacs. They do offer more visible glass and new sash.
The thermal/structural performance is only 50% of what you should have.
So my 30 years says you should reconsider doing insert frames or full tear out/ full frame replacements.
Cheapest isn't usuually better as you know, juet look at your crapco windows.

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#6 Post by toddinmn »

Marvins are better, all you have to do is look at them and you'll see.
Tilt-pacs can be installed properly even if the opening is out of square and plumb. They take a different approach then framed insert windows, most people don't take the time or have the know how to install these properly unless the opening is just right.
I would also not run these type of windows without a storm window.
As far as performance goes I have seen data for a sash kit that has clad exterior,clear glass, aluminum spacer and new storm come in at a 0.34 U-factor. These numbers would even be better with a better glass and spacer package.
I never have replaced a Zap-pac but i have replaced Marvins.
These windows get a little bit of bad rap since they are often installed incorrectly and from people painting the jambliners.
They are also harder to lift and to tilt then most inserts, so short old ladies tend to have a hard time with them.
What is wrong with your Cardaco's?

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#7 Post by Window4U (IL) »

toddinmn wrote: Tilt-pacs can be installed properly even if the opening is out of square and plumb. They take a different approach then framed insert windows, most people don't take the time or have the know how to install these properly unless the opening is just right.
I spent a couple weeks in LaGrange Illinois in 1997 installing 19 Marvin sash kits in a historic district home. Every sill and header in the house was 1 1/4" to 1 3/4" out of level. I wish you would have been there to show me the error of my ways so I could have been out of there in a day.

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#8 Post by toddinmn »

WFU, so now were going from not exactly square and plumb to 1 3/4 out level ? Your errors would have been not knowing your productuct's limitation or choosing to ignore them. That would have been a difficult install for framed inserts as well without altering/or adding to make it work.

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#9 Post by TheWindowNerd »

Not wanting to have a triple track storm window on my new windows! I am fairly certain that I know how to install them properly and I still do not find them the best choice.
Though I would do it for a customer I would not recommend it.

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anthony wrote:Not wanting to have a triple track storm window on my new windows! I am fairly certain that I know how to install them properly and I still do not find them the best choice.
Though I would do it for a customer I would not recommend it.
Amen, brother! Especially when the price of the sash pack plus storm will meet or exceed the price of a framed insert, yet come nowhere close to its performance. :wink:

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#11 Post by Window4U (IL) »

toddinmn wrote:WFU, so now were going from not exactly square and plumb to 1 3/4 out level ? Your errors would have been not knowing your productuct's limitation or choosing to ignore them. That would have been a difficult install for framed inserts as well without altering/or adding to make it work.
My post was purely tongue in cheek as far as you teaching me a trick on a job that bad.
I did the labor as a favor for a contractor friend who had sold the job and ordered the sash pacs. It took a long time and a lot of painstaking labor, but they all went in and I saved his butt.

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#12 Post by toddinmn »

The cost of the storm can be deleted depending on the existing storm or upgraded later. I typically charge about 475 installed, stained to match with storm under 100ui.Storms can add a nice touch with the color options and can look as nice as a vinyl from exterior and come in 2 track as well. Typically vinyls stain colors do not match older homes in my area and look out of place.They also meet egress quite often where an insert DH would not.Performance is not far off either, though I have not seen ai#'s I would think they'd be quite good espcially with a new storm. STC #'s should be respectable as well. Thye also pass historical review with a little headache of coarse.
Sorry W4U, that went over my head.

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