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| Author: | NYer |
| Subject: | Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 00:26:12 |
As I am new to this whole window experience, I would like opinions on the following.
One of the reps I had in today told me they could cap the outside woodwork (don't remember if he said in aluminum or vinyl - but I'll find out) around my windows so they will be maintenance free. He told me most people in my neighborhood chose this method, gave me their contact info so I can have a look.
I don't know if I'm too keen on this. It will be mainentance free (I like that), but I will not be able to change the trim color & it will always be white (ie - by painting). Is is a good idea to cap the woodwork around the window on the outside of the house?
If I don't cap, I was told most likely when the storms are removed there will be exposed wood that will need to be painted white.
It's a 80 year old Colonial & all the outside wood trim was professionally painted 2 years ago.
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | Capping outside wood work (posted by NYer) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 01:53:27 |
I would highly recommend capping your exterior. Yes it's true you will have the same color but you can easily work around that. The installer is very correct in the removal of the storm units. You will have an unfinished area with holes that needs attention to match the existing trim. I myself really fell it adds a sharp look to the home. Do yourself a favor and check some other homes out. Only one recommendation though. Don't let them Box Bend your window. Tell them you want a standard brickmold bend. It follows the contour of your existing trim board. They should use a brake-buddy to make the bend. A good brakesman will be able to do it with out the tool. It just makes it easier and more consistant. Otherwise they take a short cut and make an "L" shaped piece that goes over all of that. Looks kind of boring. Hope it helps!!!
| Author: | Window4U (IL) |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by Guy) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 02:22:35 |
I totally agree with you Guy. Good reply. I have gotten brake buddies for all my siding crews and what a difference it makes in the capping work. As you said, the consistency is much better. Some installers that hand bend brickmold style trim seem to have a hard time bending the exact same angles on every piece, thus not getting perfect mitred corners. The brake buddy takes that out of the equation.
My window guys have the brickmold trim mastered so they still hand bend the brickmold pattern though.
For those of you that are wondering what in the world we are talking about, go to http://www.tapcotools.com/BrakeBuddy.php and also click on "Brake buddy manual" in the yellow support materials box. There are some photos in the PDF that are helpful in seeing what the tool does. It bends a couple of different profiles such as brickmold and fascia ribs. In the photos they are putting ribs in fascia to keep it from being wavy when installed, but you can get the drift of what it does with window trim.
NYer, if you want a new color in 10 years, you can always have the windows re-capped. It would not be much more than what it would cost to prime and paint.
| Author: | NYer |
| In Reply To: | Capping outside wood work (posted by NYer) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 04:08:47 |
Thank you soooo much to both of you....Great advice. & I will go take a look at the neighboring houses that have had this done.
| Author: | dealer |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by Window4U (IL)) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 04:55:41 |
Thanks window guy. That is the kind of info this board should have more of. Not endless arguing about the difference between windows with various spacers or u28 vs u32.
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by dealer) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 12:14:37 |
The arguing that follows some posts isn't a bad thing. I myself learn from those posts. It mainly stems from disagreement on responses to questions. If an answer is different from how others feel it's replied to. I myself learned from a post I made that was inaccurate. Oberon was a gentleman and pointed it out. I apprecite it when others point out my error. It's how we all learn. We all just have to be able to take it as a man and not have it effect our Male Pride. I see it in a different way. I do on the other hand see your point on some stuff. When others try to turn it into a sales board. I offer my advice on things I've learned over the past thirty years. If I can help someone from making a mistake I will. I'm not here to sell my services or product. I think everyone needs to keep that in mind!!! It's a Q&A board. Thanks again TIm!!!
| Author: | Oberon |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by Guy) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 14:41:03 |
Thanks Guy.
And I agree, thanks Tim!
This is a fun board and I have learned quite a bit here as well. And I have also had to revise a few long held opinions...funny how new information does that....occasionally makes a person have to do a bit of researh and even, heaven forbid, THINK!
I agree with you as well dealer, I think that there are a goodly number of posts and responses, such as this one, that are all about good information, and these sorts of posts are excellent learning tools.
But just as you have Ford people and Chevy people and Dodge people (and even people who like those "foreign" cars), not everyone will agree on everything.
And while there are always some people who do seem to become rather combative when someone disagrees with their opinion, I say attack my position on a subject all you want, I enjoy a good rousing debate about ideas.
| Author: | pauls |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by Guy) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 15:43:46 |
Let me get this straight. I assumed, maybe incorrectly, that this procedure was called "wrapping", am I wrong? Next, I just ordered some windows (schuco) and agreed to have them wrapped. However I'm in a condo complex and the exterior must cosmetically match. The wrapping is going to be white but I was assured that the aluminum, plastic or whatever is paintable to match the other units. If I can't paint this stuff reliably I'm in trouble here.
| Author: | Window4U (IL) |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by pauls) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 16:36:21 |
Capping and wrapping are the same thing. The main thing if you are going to paint the aluminum is to make sure they use a paintable caulk on the exterior, of which there are good ones available.
Painting vinyl is definitely possible with recently available new paints made especially for vinyl, but I don't recommend it on a general basis {because it's a pain} unless there is no other choice. Many companies, especially Canadian ones are now offering painted exteriors on their vinyl windows as a way to expand color choices more affordably and without the pitfalls of solid dark colored vinyl, which can warp and fade in high temperatures.
Dark colored vinyl windows are thankfully almost extinct now except for companies using laminates and paint over white or beige vinyl.
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by Oberon) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 21:11:01 |
I agree Oberon. Nothing better than a issue to get us all going. Most the time it goes into a category not even related to what the customer asked. Then everyone gets going. Kind of like my glass thing a few weeks back. But I always take constructive comments on being wrong. Heaven knows I wasn't made perfect. I'm also the same way Oberon. I say bring it on and lets debate the issues. So political!!! Have a good one!!
Guy
| Author: | pauls |
| In Reply To: | RE: Capping outside wood work (posted by Window4U (IL)) |
| Subject: | RE: Capping outside wood work |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-18 22:32:38 |
Thanks, pretty much as I assumed. I had heard rumors about aluminimum being paintable but its clearly not a first choice situation. In my case if its paintable at all I can live with it.... I have to :-)