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| Author: | Nyer |
| Subject: | Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-21 21:44:33 |
I have an 80 year old colonial & would like to have top grids in my new windows.
Presently all of my wood windows have top grids with 6 squares, so all of the seven windows facing the front have the same number of grid squares and the same look.
The problem I have run into is that I have 3 relatively small side-by-side windows in my living room facing the front. There is probably a 4-5 inches of wood frame separating each of them (don't know if a supporting beam is in there). All are about 23 inches wide. I was told by a salesman that if the window is smaller than 24 inches wide, the grid would have only 4 squares versus the 6 squares I will have in my other front windows.
I am not thrilled with this as I would like the front of the house to be consistent in look and the three living room windows will look like they have crosses in them, while the other windows will have the 6 grid squares.
I was thinking of getting these 3 windows without grid & getting some that would snap in or attach somehow -- don't know if that will work - so I will have the same # of grid squares in all of my front windows.
What other opinions do I have in aquiring a consistent colonial look with the same # of grid squares in the front windows of my house.
Thanks for any help.
| Author: | Greg |
| In Reply To: | Grids & front house appearance (posted by Nyer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-21 23:12:10 |
You need to get a second and third opinion. I know for a fact that Marvin's (and probably others) limitation on SDL (simulated divided lites)is 3" which means unless your windows are only a foot wide, you can get your six lites.
| Author: | NYer |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by Greg) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-21 23:44:40 |
...but does Marvin offer a vinyl replacement window or only wood, and are they snap in grids or between the glass?
| Author: | Scooter |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by NYer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 00:17:46 |
I am in a similar quandry - trying to figure out what grids will be best with shutters in the background. I've been thinking of getting no grids and adding snap-in's later. I've seen them advertised somewhere (?) Do they work with any window?
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by Scooter) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 01:54:55 |
Gentlemen, most manufacturer's have grids in windows down to whatever size. All this is done in the plant before the glass is assembled. It's really no big deal you just have to specify your wishes. The big problem is it may delay your order an extra week. You see when an order hits the shop it goes to the glass department first. Ounce glass has been cut and sent to the line the rest follows. Everything today is computer programed. All the saws and even the screen making machines rely on the computer to tell the line what to do. If anything different hits the line. The human under paid assembly guy looses all concept of his job requirements. Then a retraining process has to start all over. I'm just kidding about that stuff. It just slows everyone down a bit. Good window makers will have no problem putting grid patterns in any way you want. It's just up to the salesman to order it right! I agree with Greg. Get more bids. Marvin will make a six paneled grid. by the way. Good Luck!!
| Author: | Greg |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by NYer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 02:15:52 |
Marvin offers an aluminum clad (nineteen colors) that is superior to vinyl as well as wood only exterior. They also offer removable, between the glass, and simulated divided lites (both inside and outside). The SDL will look most like what you have but if budget is an issue choose one of the other options
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | Grids & front house appearance (posted by Nyer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 02:51:53 |
Nyer
I sincerly intend no personal offense, but I can see so many responses to your posts that are being offered by generous individuals that are not within your guidelines. It is my understanding that the time and efforts of the professional contributors on this site is to help potential purchasers and people seriously interested in products. You have made it quite clear in your previous posts that although, as you have stated, "Thanks for the suggestion, but it won't work here.. Live in one of the wealthiest counties in NYS, & although I make several times the maximum househould income..." you are desiring a low to mid-line pricetag and putting the fall on the next purchaser of your home. This effort also follows the same philosophy of those that see, "free estimate" with no intention of purchasing products in the range they are comfortable spending. You are now taking the time of individuals discussing Marvin products including additional accessories for under $400 as you have previously stated as your set budget. I'll simply and respectfully ask that you let the posting contributors know your guidelines before wasting their time.
FenEx
| Author: | NYer |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by FenEx) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 05:02:56 |
FenEx, I don't see any responses to my posts are not within my guidelines, except for one by you which I quickly clarified.
You have made a lot of incorrect presumptions in your current response.
If you read this post carefully you will note I am trying to figure out what to do with THREE (3) front windows, and I asked "what other opinions do I have in acquiring a consistent colonial look with the same # of grid squares in the front windows of my house."
It appears Guy gave me the answer I was looking for, and I thank him.
I did not inquire about Marvin windows, but ONE poster suggested them. I then inquired if Marvin made a vinyl window, thus I could possibly use a Marvin vinyl (which I learned in non-existent when the same poster - Not Many posters discussing Marvin as you suggest - responded) for these three small windows & still have a consistent look and the correct # of grid squares on the front of my house. Perhaps someone else would have responded if those snap-on grids would be an alternative as well. I DO NOT think this was wasting anyone's time!!
I appreciate all the help I have received on this board, but for someone who means "no personal offense" your words were certainly offensive.
Yes, I desire a mid-line price tag, because that's all I can afford. I have a one income family with kids, I have Two mortgages, I have bills, I pay for private school tuition, I'm taxed up the kazoo, the list goes on & on. I know lots of neighbors who buy replacement windows in the $6,000 range from different companies and are quite happy with them. Not everyone can afford to spend $15,000 or more on windows, but compared to what's hanging in my window frames right now, a mid-priced window would be a peach! And just so you know, the income listed on that NYSERDA site you mentioned was no more than $50,000 for a family of 4. If you live in NY, make less than $50,000, have a family of 4, you don't own a house to replace windows in, and if you did you couldn't afford to replace the windows. Yes, I live in one of the wealthiest counties in NY, but I never said I was wealthy. Scarsdale is right next to Yonkers, White Plains, & New Rochelle which have lots of low to mid income families, all living in a wealthy county in starter houses that cost 1/2 million - the same house that could go for $90,000 in another part of the country.
Then, to assume that I'm not seriously interested in windows or that I'm buying low to mid-range windows because I'm trying to "put the fall on the next purchaser" of my house is quite presumptuous, offensive and incorrect. There won't be a "next purchaser" of this house until I'm long gone which hopefully will be many decades away. I've lived for 10 years with the wind blowing through my old glass windows & I'll be happy to purchase whatever I can afford.
I am trying to educate myself as best as I can in this new venture. Yes, I've learned from this board that Schuco's are the best & I've learned I can't afford them as I was quoted $500-$600 a window on the phone & told the salesman not to bother to come to measure. If this board is only for people with deep pockets, perhaps that should be noted before anyone is allowed to post.
I've already decided on Alside windows and am trying to figure out what to do with my front 3 windows.
I thank Guy for his answer & will speak to the window company on Monday about getting the right # of Grids & have them or perhaps I'll call Alside myself to verify that this can be done. The salesman did not think it could be done, but he was reading what was in a book which showed the photo of the grids for an under 24 inch window.
I was also thinking about replacing the three windows with two larger double-hungs, but that would involve cutting out the frame & I don't know how to figure out if a supporting beam would run between these windows.
| Author: | Nancy Drew |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by FenEx) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 05:45:48 |
Fenex, who exactly are you? Do you run this board or have you elected yourself to be the board police?
| Author: | fellow nyer |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by Nancy Drew) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 12:27:23 |
I took the post a different way. Some here only see things from a homeowner's perspective, and others from the contractor side. From previous posts, it appears to me that fen tries to acknowledge both. I was a contractor years back and understand how frustrating it can be to spend hours and hours working with someone who intended to go a different direction all along. As a homeowner, that gives me a different outlook and greater respect for those in the construction industry and their time. Personally, I can't afford a half million dollar house as of yet, but if I could, you bet your bippy I'd be looking for quality upgrades to justify my investment. From everything I have read, if the woman is trying to get her window cost down, Marvin is the wrong direction as they are one of the most expensive product lines available.
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by NYer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 13:05:09 |
My apologies. It appears I missed some of the intermediate posts. This is one of those times that you read what you wrote the previous days and wish you post wite-out. It appears that I have misread your posts and projected a defensive attitude from other experiences I have had over the years. Reading it now, I feel it was inappropriate. I do apologize.
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by NYer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 13:21:53 |
Nyer, I must come to the defense of my fellow board Pro. I know by no means was he ever trying to insult or disrespect you. You have to understand that many of us in this trade have spent thousands of hours trying to make a sale for absolutely nothing. These are hours we never get paid for. I know what I make an hour and I know what I would charge to consult. Most people would have a heart attack if they knew the cost for consulting in this industry. The best thing to do is send any of us a private email and go that route. If you have numerous confusions or questions. It frees the board up and keeps things rolling. The hardest part for us to explain is what the correct way is to do something. When you have a salesman or someone else on the board give you an incorrect answer. Even we make an incorrect call now and then. I know this is a frustrating thing to think of. It's even more frustrating trying not to be pissed off or pulling your hair out. Kind of like me and Grasshopper!! FenX makes his living making sure homes are energy efficient. He spends his time looking at people taking shortcuts or trying to spin hay into gold. Then this gets passed on and someone has to fix it. He's really trying to say, save your money until you can afford a good quality window. This will add great looks to your home and save you money in the long run. He really know what he's talking about.
For the dude asking if he's the board police. Your damn right he is. We all give plenty of free time to help others get the answers they need. Sometimes we feel things are getting out of hand. Thats the problem with America today. Nobody takes a stand!! When someone does people bitch about it. Kind of like people here in MN trying to oust St. Pauls Mayor because he's a Democrat and supports Bush. That's grounds to terminate!! Remember we're a free country!! If you don't like it you don't have to be here!!
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by FenEx) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 13:30:12 |
Want a Brownie or a Cookie? I enjoyed mine with about ten BEERS yesterday!!
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by Guy) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 14:07:38 |
Thanks Guy. You explained kind of what I was thinking... surely better than I did. I guess I do get frustrated sometimes when I think of people having an opportunity to make a difference in the energy usage and it's effects on the environment and passing it up... especially when it's possible with products that actually pay for themselves. Regardless of my good intentions and personal feelings on the subject... everyone has a right to follow their own set of priorities.
| Author: | NYer |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by Guy) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 17:03:11 |
""He's really trying to say, save your money until you can afford a good quality window.""
Thanks for the reply Guy, & all your help.
It's been 10 years already with the original old windows & I don't want to wait another 10 years. Like I said, the mid-priced windows would be a huge improvement. I totally understand that you guys promote the best, but not everyone can afford a Rolls Royce, and are happy with their Chevys.
| Author: | NYer |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by FenEx) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 17:03:40 |
Thank you, FenEx. I appreciate your response.
| Author: | NYer |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by fellow nyer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 17:12:00 |
fellow nyer wrote:
Personally, I can't afford a half million dollar house as of yet, but if I could, you bet your bippy I'd be looking for quality upgrades to justify my investment. From everything I have read, if the woman is trying to get her window cost down, Marvin is the wrong direction as they are one of the most expensive product lines available.
I can't afford a 1/2 million dollar home either, but that's what they're worth. Certainly didn't pay that when I bought the house. I don't know how any young couple could afford to buy a new home in this area - the prices are outrageous.
These are not huge luxurious homes, but what is considered starter homes. People in other areas of the country would be shocked at the prices. Just happened to buy in a great location, close to NYC, and the house prices exploded over the years. You know the old saying, house rich, cash poor.
Regarding the Marvin, I am trying to solve a problem with Three (3) front windows, not the entire 21 I am purchasing. So all brands of windows can be considered to solve this problem.
| Author: | Marv F |
| In Reply To: | Grids & front house appearance (posted by Nyer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance - # Marvin lites |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-22 21:11:32 |
I recently put in a Marvin window roughly the size you are talking about: 22 1/2 w (by 37 1/2 high).
The snap-in wood grids have six lites each sash (3w x 2h).
For a Marvin window this size, a clad Tilt-Pac sash replacement should be a little over $200. I also priced out a clad Ultimate full replacement and I believe it was a little over $300.
One minor thing I noticed is the LowE glass gives the light colored grids a noticable green colored cast as viewed from the outside, at least when relatively close. This is inherent from the LowE glass and are nothing specific to Marvin, of course.
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Grids & front house appearance (posted by NYer) |
| Subject: | RE: Grids & front house appearance |
| Posted At: | 2004-08-23 01:19:54 |
Nyer, I'm a firm believer in the middle line window. I promote it daily. Just don't take a short cut when it comes to home. You should concentrate on around $500 per opening. I read so many posts on here I forget what look your after. I'm assuming you want a wood interior. Also chack and see what your window dimensions are. Most lumber yards carry stock sized windows in house. You may get lucky and find they have your size. If so they are cheaper then the special order window. Ten years is a long time to wait. I understand your frustration. Good Luck!!!