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| Author: | RCasement |
| Subject: | Non-Expanding Foam |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-04 22:13:42 |
What if any type of expanding foam should I let my contractor use. He swears its never cause any problems with the windows he installs. Simonton says no never use it. Whats a feller to do?
Thanks
| Author: | Window4U (IL) |
| In Reply To: | Non-Expanding Foam (posted by RCasement) |
| Subject: | RE: Non-Expanding Foam |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-04 22:35:54 |
Some window makers suggest using it, and some prohibit it.
Be very careful before using it by reading your warranty, as many factories will void your window warranty if it is used.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this type of non-expanding foam for use in windows, but some factories are slow to accept new practices.
Another very important factor is that some companies just don't want to take the risk, because how are they to know which foam you REALLY used? They do not want to have to send a chemical engineer out to jobsites to test which foam was used everytime a window has problems, so it may just be easier for them to just ban foam for installation altogether, and not have to worry about it.
The expanding type of this foam should not be used under any circumstance. and many of these factories in the past have seen horrible consequences when it has been used, so you can kind of understand their reluctance to give the thumbs up on the new stuff.
| Author: | Richard Kaller, CCN |
| In Reply To: | Non-Expanding Foam (posted by RCasement) |
| Subject: | RE: Non-Expanding Foam |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-04 23:11:23 |
Simonton is a quality window and manufacturer. They make the window and write the specifications. They are the deep pocket company with the guarantee.
Why would you allow a contractor to install a product that is not in compliance with the manufacturer’s specifications and put your window and warranty at risk?
Has the contractor given you a specific reason? Is there some oddball condition that is triggering him/her to use expanding foam?
Richard Kaller
CEO
Certified Contractors NetWork
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Non-Expanding Foam (posted by Window4U (IL)) |
| Subject: | RE: Non-Expanding Foam |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-05 01:16:01 |
These Gentlemen above tell it like it is. We always go by manufacturer's specs. Although we here in MN use the Great Stuff i(n a blue can only) for windows and doors. This product was made by Great Stuff but formulated by Pella. When the foam came out a few years ago. People were using the red High Expansion Foam to insulate their windows. Now this stuff goes crazy. I've seen it move a door one inch out of whack. Most of the vinyl makers voided any windows being foamed. They had huge issues because it wasn't on their stickers. I use it on Simonton's window here all the time. I also warranty the windows after I use the foam. The Simonton Rep here knowa I use it and has no problem as long as I take care of any window related issues related to the foam. I've prooved it time and again for them. The factory will probably give in sooner or later. They just don't want any person doing it though. What's funny is I've seen insulator's chink the frames with fiberglass and bow the heck out of them. So you just have to live with the Manufacturer's Warranty. Good Luck!!!
| Author: | RCasement |
| In Reply To: | RE: Non-Expanding Foam (posted by Guy) |
| Subject: | Thank the all |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-05 01:38:17 |
| Author: | RCasement |
| In Reply To: | Thank the all (posted by RCasement) |
| Subject: | RATHER THANK YOU ALL |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-05 01:38:52 |
| Author: | Kenny Myles |
| In Reply To: | RATHER THANK YOU ALL (posted by RCasement) |
| Subject: | RE: RATHER THANK YOU ALL |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-05 20:16:08 |
Now that I've had the new windows in for a year and one full winter, it seems I may have to do some more insulating around the windows, and the walls in general. I'm sure the foam is easy, and that's why some people push it, but they're not concerned about the long term problems it might cause. So, short of ripping the sheet rock off and putting in new insulation, what's the next best solution? Thanks ahead of time.
Kenny
| Author: | Dean S |
| In Reply To: | RE: Non-Expanding Foam (posted by Window4U (IL)) |
| Subject: | RE: Non-Expanding Foam |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-06 20:52:08 |
The problem I have with foam is the fact that it shrinks over time. The shrinkage invites air infiltration.
| Author: | Kenny Myles |
| In Reply To: | Non-Expanding Foam (posted by RCasement) |
| Subject: | One Other Insulation Question |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-07 03:05:11 |
Now that I've had the new windows in for a year and one full winter, it seems I may have to do some more insulating around the windows, and the walls in general. I'm sure the foam is easy, and that's why some people push it, but they're not concerned about the long term problems it might cause. So, short of ripping the sheet rock off and putting in new insulation, what's the next best solution? Thanks ahead of time.
Kenny
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | One Other Insulation Question (posted by Kenny Myles) |
| Subject: | RE: One Other Insulation Question |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-07 22:25:22 |
Ken, The foam will work better than the fiberglass. It expands to fill and seal places you can't get with the fiberglass. If you aren't paying attenetion with the glass you could miss and leave a gap. If you go a bit fast with the foam it still expands to fill the void. It also fills the corners way better. The other thing it does that fiberglass won't. It works like an adhesive. It holds the window in place and secures it to the studs. There are a lot of Southern installers who set the window with four nails and then foam. THis holds the window in very well. If you don't have any access to get at your insulation. You will be in a messy situation. You will have to pull the rock off to get at the gap. This will suck for anyone. Whatever you do don't drill holes to insulate. Good Luck!!!