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| Author: | Marie |
| Subject: | I am back Need a hug and some advice |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-17 13:27:40 |
We have picked up the pieces after the destruction of Hurricane Frances here in Fort Pierce. Finally have electric and phone as of yesterday. Many of my neighbors homes are totally destroyed, but we were fortunate in losing only trees, fences and our roof shingles. We had hurricane shutters so our old windows are still in tact. The new homes built in my area used the WinGuard Impact windows, no storm shutters and not one window broken. But to my question. With a $10,000 deductable on our insurance the roof must be done first. Our home is approx. 2800 sq. ft. I realize this is off topic, but does anyone know the approx cost of a new roof (don't know if worthwhile making insurance claim) and/or can someone recommend a good roof or a roofing contractor in my area? I have called a number of roofing contractors and am awaiting calls back.
Hope all on the board are safe from these Hurricanes.
Marie
| Author: | Oberon |
| In Reply To: | I am back Need a hug and some advice (posted by Marie) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-17 15:34:08 |
Sounds like you guys did okay. So, I offer a big hug a glad to hear it!
The Winguard Impact window is made by PGT. They have a very nice laminated product. They are the only window company that I can think of (off the top of my head) that laminates their own glass. Everyone else I can think of buys their laminates from one of the glass fabricators.
Since you have shutters already installed, and since they did the job for you, I don't believe that you do not need to go to the extra expense of installing impact-resistant windows.
IF you did not have shutters and were planning to replace your windows then I would have suggested, by all means, that you install windows with impact-resistant glass. While there are a number of advantages to using impact glass in place of "ordinary" glass with shutters or with plywood, I believe in your case that impact windows are an unnecessary expense.
I would be more than happy to explain further or to answer any questions.
Good luck and stay safe in your clean-up!
| Author: | Marie |
| In Reply To: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice (posted by Oberon) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice - ty Oberon |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-17 16:22:23 |
Oberon
Thanks for your reply. I mentioned the winguard windows to pass along info that they do work. Since we have the hurricane shutters we had already decided to go with a double pane (non impact window). I appreciate your comment that you do not believe it necessary to go that route (the four salesmen - inc. the one from PGT) did not feel the impact windows necessary. Once we have the roof done, we will resume our quest for the windows. At this time we are leaning towards the Gorell 5300. I had spoken to the VP of Schurco (thanks to FenX) and he told me that they were scheduled to have a dealer in the West Palm Beach area. I will try to re-contact him when we are ready to do the windows. If you have any other suggestions for me just fire away.
Marie
PS Thank you for the hug
PS Tim I am still waiting for my Free Insider's Guide to Replacement Windows
| Author: | Oberon |
| In Reply To: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice - ty Oberon (posted by Marie) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice - ty Oberon |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-17 17:19:47 |
Marie,
I have conducted and witnessed the impact and cycle test requirement MANY times. I firmly believed before this rash of storms that the impact-resistant windows would work and now I know that the impact-resistant windows did indeed work. I thank you very much for that bit of confirmation.
For those who have never seen the impact test, the large missile requirement is an impact from a 9lb, 8-ft 2x4 travelling at 34mph. That is a calculated equivilent of being propelled by a 150mph wind directly into the glass.
The window must stop the 2x4 and then it is subjected to 9000 pressure cycles of various percentages of the design pressure - after the impact (or in the case of Dade County requirment "impacts" - Dade requires two or more impacts per window.)...after all this abuse the window must be able to be operated "normally".
What is the impact of the 2x4 like?
Well, it can crush a standard concrete building block.
It will fully penetrate 3/4 plywood.
If impacted on the "wide" side of a 2x10, it can snap it in half...
I have seen steel entry doors doubled in half after a 1/2 dozen impacts.
Several window manufacturers have demonstrations of the impact test on their web sites. Marvin, for one, has a really good one...if anyone would like to see it.
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | I am back Need a hug and some advice (posted by Marie) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-17 17:45:47 |
You two are just to damn cute with your lil hugs.. LOL. Happy to hear you are doing OK Marie. Broken things can always be fixed... Glad your family is safe. As for the roof, need more info. Roofs are generally sold by the square (100 sq/ft = 1 SQ). Can range from $200-$500 per square for a tear-off and new fiberglass/asphalt system (without plywood replacement). Alot depends on the number of layers you have and the roof pitch. GAF makes excellent products and are the oldest and largest in the industry. Check local building codes for usage. If you have a clay, tile or slate roof... that's a different ballpark entirely. Roofing could be a on a site of it's own but not as detailed as windows. Underlayments, flashings etc. all play a role in performance and cost. I'd be happy to take a look at any quotes you recieve and venture an opinion. My very best to you and yours.
FenEx
| Author: | Marie |
| In Reply To: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice (posted by FenEx) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice- ty FenEx |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-17 18:12:31 |
FenEx
So glad to see you are back :). It was the day before we evacuated that I bid you farewell. I appreciate your offer and will take you up on it - if and when someone gets back to me to do an estimate on the roof. The home has a Gabel Roof. 2 layers of asphalt shingles. Approx. 60% of the 2nd layer blew off and 5% of the 1st layer. Only a few areas (above the overhang) where both layers and some plywood blew. I think the worse part was the attack of the fire ants when I was picking up the shingles.
Marie
PS you get a big hug too
| Author: | Guy |
| In Reply To: | I am back Need a hug and some advice (posted by Marie) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-18 12:31:27 |
Marie my dear, I'm glad to hear your all safe and sound. Like FenX said. Things can be fixed. You and your family can't! So here's my hug to welcome you home safely. Now there is some work to do down South. I almost feel like shipping some crews down there.
I know that the Federal Gov mandates many of the prices companies can quote in the event of any disasters there. Like HD and Lowes have guidelines they must follow when selling plywood and building products. If you are caught falling from this path it's jail time and pay a fine. So hopefully your bids will all be the same. You will just want to get a good contractor. If possible you can get some repairs to hold you by for awhile. Wait out the constant bashing of the storms moving in on a weekly track. I'll take the Snow and cold before I ride one of them out. Comedian Ron White has the same opinion on riding out a Hurricane. I'd tell you but we need to keep the "G" rating. If you can hold off awhile you will get better pricing when everything slows down. Just make sure you don't have to do it more than ounce.
By the way 10K deductable. I almost fell out of my chair! HS that sucks in a big way!!! In my case it's "Grab a Snickers, Gonna be awile"
I to would like to welcome the FenX back. He's a great boost for moral! My anger has got the best of me also. I camled down and realize what fun I have here. He just adds to all the fun as everyone does. We will just ignore the bad. I'll send Bob Dylan down to sing his Hurricane song next trip. Stay Safe!!!!
Guy
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice (posted by Guy) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-18 13:27:38 |
Thanks Guy... good to see you back too buddy. Hope all is well.
| Author: | Dawn |
| In Reply To: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice - ty Oberon (posted by Oberon) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice - ty Oberon |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-19 03:45:15 |
I watched a show with a Proffessor from Texas A&M on construction. He built a wall made of concrete block, dropped a piece of rebar down each hole and filled it with concrete. He shot 2X4's at it at 150 mph. and the wood shattered. If I ever build a home, that will probably be the technique I use.
| Author: | Oberon |
| In Reply To: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice - ty Oberon (posted by Dawn) |
| Subject: | RE: I am back Need a hug and some advice - ty Oberon |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-20 12:51:46 |
A&M has done a tremendous amount of research on buildings versus stroms. They were instrumental on the development of the testing that I was describing in my previous post.
Thanks for the info! I would like to see that one as well.