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| Author: | mike |
| Subject: | High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 04:03:32 |
Help I'm looking for a high end replacemt window . I need the traditional realistic looking grids and not real pleased with what I've seen with Grids between the glass.
They appear cheap with flat plastic looking grids.
I did see a Simonton (Rennovations done by HD) put into an expensive home near me and it looks pretty good.
Can't do replacment packs -
Help. Traditional home!
| Author: | sam risio |
| In Reply To: | High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by mike) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 07:56:29 |
you simply cannot get the look of traditional windows with vinyl...plus vinyl grids melt over time...look into composites..the renewal by andersen works...andersen is now using the composite fibrex in the traditional wood windows for grilles...marvin makes a nice window but it's a full frame installation which is a whole nother decision...
| Author: | Richard Kaller, CCN |
| In Reply To: | High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by mike) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 11:35:15 |
Mike,
I just toured the Renewal by Andersen plant and they are making a window with a wood-like grille on the inside, a matching spacer between the glass, and a wood-like grid on the exterior. It is a very attractive window and most people would assume it was a multi-pane window.
Renewal by Andersen is a division of Andersen Windows the 100 year old window manufacturing company.
To locate a Renewal by Andersen location near you go to http://www.renewalbyandersen.com/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1077824355945&pagename=Renewal%2FPage%2FRbADealerLocator&c=Page
There are also extremely expensive “historic restoration” replacement windows that are replicas of original wood windows but manufactured in maintenance free materials.
Check with your local historic association.
Best of luck…
Richard Kaller
Certified Contractors NetWork
PS: I have no direct affiliation with Renewal by Anderson…just helping one of their dealers build his business.
| Author: | Randy |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Richard Kaller, CCN) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 14:16:32 |
It always helps to look around you first. I'm sure taking a tour of the Anderson plant was impressive. I've toured a few plants as well, and of course they all looked impressive.
Hopefully your website that you are so shamelessly promoting provides more than anecdotal info for consumers.
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by mike) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 15:14:16 |
The top shelf vinyl is made by Schuco, might want to check it out if it's available in your area. It has a very traditional look with a satin, linen white finish and contoured sash extrusions and steel lifts instead of the vinyl lift rail. I always lean towards the triple pane but they do offer a contoured grid available between the glass on double panes. Classic look without cleaning or maintenance on or around the grids. It's a much better engineered and performing window than the RBA and usually less money. Lifetime warranty, non-prorated and transferrable. Good Luck.
FenEx
| Author: | Curious |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by sam risio) |
| Subject: | Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timRE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 15:34:45 |
There is a lot of people in trouble with their windows if grids "melt" in time. Anyone have a different view on this???
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timRE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Curious) |
| Subject: | Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timRE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 15:42:40 |
This is a common problem... on Mercury and the warmer regions of Venus as almost every vinyl window manufacturer in existance uses aluminum grids between the glass... not vinyl.
| Author: | Michaelle Frost |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by FenEx) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 15:43:06 |
Too bad that the word is, from the VP of the Shucco dealer in MA, that the internal contoured grids sag. . .He has them in his home and most needed to be replaced for this reason - He regrets the choice & strongly recommended my not getting them even though it will likely result in losing my business!
| Author: | mike |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Randy) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 16:07:32 |
Wow. Sounds like the Anderson guys need to get the kinks worked out. Wish I could wait but I'm intrested in being one of the first- an dthey are not available in the White Plains NY area anyway.
| Author: | E-Z |
| In Reply To: | Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timRE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Curious) |
| Subject: | RE: Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timHigh End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 16:41:38 |
Don't be the victim of misinformation,common sense kindda helps. Sit back and think if vinyl grids melt so do windows.
Sounds like a salesman on the loose here to demonize vinyl windows.I would like to see facts not vague statements to sell their windows. That's how we do it in this board, many have come before many have gone just read on you will learn a lot.
E-Z
www.eazywindows.com
| Author: | Window4U (IL) |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Michaelle Frost) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 18:38:40 |
I've been using the sculptured grids for years in many different windows. I'm sorry, but I just find your post hard to believe. They are rigid aluminum, and unless he is spanning a 4 foot area without crossmember support, I cannot see this happening on anyones windows. Everybodys grids are made the same.
| Author: | FenEx |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Window4U (IL)) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 18:58:31 |
Schuco's grids are made by All-Metal... they make the same for most of the top lines in the entire industry. Their diamond grids are made by Rosuco. This gentleman was misinformed by his rep... perhaps because they wanted to push the trademark Schuco triple panes which are not available with the contoured grids. Condemn the dealer if you must... not the manufacturer of the windows or the grids. I have never heard of aluminum grids melting or bowing in all my years in the business.
| Author: | Oberon |
| In Reply To: | Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timRE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Curious) |
| Subject: | Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timRE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 19:13:58 |
I admit I have never even heard of that rumor before. Son of a gun, I learned a new one today.
What part of Venus is worst FenEx? I will stay away from that spot!
;-)
| Author: | Dan |
| In Reply To: | Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timRE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Curious) |
| Subject: | RE: Fen Ex and other experts here ..is this true?? Grids MELT in timHigh End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 20:50:42 |
I've been dealing with vinyl windows for over 20 years and have yet to see any of the grids used in our own vinyl windows ever melt. For that matter I've never seen the grids in any competitive windows ever melt.
Many years ago we dealt with a company that made grids with vinyl that outgassed really bad, but even those grids never melted.
Dan
| Author: | Randy |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by FenEx) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-23 01:24:44 |
Fenex, Do you know why Schuco does not offer the sculptured grids in their triple pane windows? I know they will fit because I have ordered them before through Cardinal Glass. Same overall IG dimension and the sculptured grids are the same size.
Thanks, Randy.
| Author: | Marv F |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by sam risio) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-23 01:51:50 |
sam risio wrote:
...marvin makes a nice window but it's a full frame installation which is a whole nother decision...
Marvin also makes basically the same Ultimate in a pocket insert window which, by definition, is not a full frame installation. It is available with a variety of grids, including Simulated Divided Lites (the most historically "accurate" type of grid).
Of course, it's not vinyl - the subject of this thread. However, the "vinyl grids melt" supposition seems to be fully debunked.
Whether one can achieve a "traditional" look with a vinyl window is subject to debate.
| Author: | Michaelle Frost |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Window4U (IL)) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-23 15:44:34 |
Good to know!!!! The statement about sagging was made by the VP @ NE Sash (a Shucco dealer) - He said it was due to how they were put together (four peices fitting into a cross thingy). . .He probably said it trying to convince me to not get them since the company already made custom windows with flat internal grids for me & to replace the grids were incur further costs. So, really good to know. . .How long have you been working with them? And, what is your experience with them in picture LARGE windows? THANKS!
| Author: | Window4U (IL) |
| In Reply To: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids (posted by Michaelle Frost) |
| Subject: | RE: High End Vinyl with traditional /real looking grids |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-24 04:12:22 |
I think you just nailed it with your explanation of them already ordering windows for you. That speaks volumes.
As far as grids in large picture windows, I have on occasion seen them rattle in some brands, but that is a rare occurance.
I wouldn't be worried in the least about internal grids. They are a proven product and are not a window feature that has service problems.