Is there anyway to tell if there is polystyrene foam insulation in my window frames- besides cutting a peice off my vinyl frame and actually looking inside???
Ultrasound? Xray?
Please help
Foam filled vinyl window frames
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handyman19619
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Remove an installation screw and see if that exposes anything . It may or may not.
You could also remove the same screw if it does not already have a 3/8"
hole drilled in it you could do it yourself have a look replace the screw and put a plug over it (you can get these vinyl plugs at hardware stores)
Not sure what this will do to your warranty. It will not harm the window but you are tampering with the product.
Why do you ask anyway? Just curious.
Another way but this will not give you visual satisfaction. Ask to see the original factory invoice or related document pertaining to your order.
You could also remove the same screw if it does not already have a 3/8"
hole drilled in it you could do it yourself have a look replace the screw and put a plug over it (you can get these vinyl plugs at hardware stores)
Not sure what this will do to your warranty. It will not harm the window but you are tampering with the product.
Why do you ask anyway? Just curious.
Another way but this will not give you visual satisfaction. Ask to see the original factory invoice or related document pertaining to your order.
thx for your response Handyman
The windows were labeled by the manufacturer as foam filled sashes and frames as was the contract
I am feel somewhat sure that the frames were not foam filled
I just want a way to determine if in fact they have no insulation in the frames without having to deface the frame in any way
Please help
I am feel somewhat sure that the frames were not foam filled
I just want a way to determine if in fact they have no insulation in the frames without having to deface the frame in any way
Please help
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handyman19619
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The manufacturer would have nothing to gain by lying to you.
But if you insist follow the instructions on my first post.
Let me clarify when you drill the 3/8" hole only go through the first skin of the vinyl not all the way through the window frame. You should be able to find what you are looking for.
You wouldnt be the forst customer that wanted proof something was there that they couldnt see (foam, argon gas)
Where do you live and what brand of windows did you purchase?
But if you insist follow the instructions on my first post.
Let me clarify when you drill the 3/8" hole only go through the first skin of the vinyl not all the way through the window frame. You should be able to find what you are looking for.
You wouldnt be the forst customer that wanted proof something was there that they couldnt see (foam, argon gas)
Where do you live and what brand of windows did you purchase?
Would if the manufacturer did not realize they were not foam filled
The plant either thought no one would find out,or they were too busy
trying to place their dealer orders and did not fill the frames
Although labeling my order as foam filled and the dealers invoice as foam filled-But the manufacturer's quality control department never caught the potential problem
Plesse help
I do not want to ruin my windows to satisy my soul
The plant either thought no one would find out,or they were too busy
trying to place their dealer orders and did not fill the frames
Although labeling my order as foam filled and the dealers invoice as foam filled-But the manufacturer's quality control department never caught the potential problem
Plesse help
I do not want to ruin my windows to satisy my soul
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Window4U (IL)
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As foam filled frames are basically a marketing tool to "set a window apart from others", and doesn't mean squat to speak of on performance, my advice is to not lose sleep one way or the other.
After all, the best performing window on the entire NFRC does not have foam. Nor does the second best, or the third best,......
After all, the best performing window on the entire NFRC does not have foam. Nor does the second best, or the third best,......
If you bought a house full of windows and you contracted and paid for the insulated frames but there was No foam filled frames
You would be ok with that and just forget about it...
Because I was pitched insulated frames paid for foam filled frames and the manufacture labeled the order as foam filled and mine might be hollow
Just forget about it because it does not matter?
Perplexed???
You would be ok with that and just forget about it...
Because I was pitched insulated frames paid for foam filled frames and the manufacture labeled the order as foam filled and mine might be hollow
Just forget about it because it does not matter?
Perplexed???
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Window4U (IL)
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You bought foam filled.
Your contractor ordered foam filled.
Your contractor's invoice says foam filled.
Your window labels say foam filled.
If you still think someone is out to screw you after all that proof, then your only option as I see it is to take a chainsaw and sacrifice one of your windows. Drilling alone might not work because not all the chambers are normally filled.
(I'm just kidding if no one realizes it)
Your contractor ordered foam filled.
Your contractor's invoice says foam filled.
Your window labels say foam filled.
If you still think someone is out to screw you after all that proof, then your only option as I see it is to take a chainsaw and sacrifice one of your windows. Drilling alone might not work because not all the chambers are normally filled.
(I'm just kidding if no one realizes it)
Last edited by Window4U (IL) on Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
witmeyer, i understand your concern. if you can remove the inside stop of your window trim you will be able to see the frame and drill a small hole. the inside stop is the most narrow piece of trim that runs horizontally and vertically around the window and is what the interior of the frame of the new window abutts against. then all you have to do is replace the trim and maybe a little touch up to the stop.
Well Obtuse I'll just step back. I'm going to just stay away from the witless comments. Your demonic remarks are a sign of your own personal problems. The customers remarks were:
"The windows were labeled by the manufacturer as foam filled sashes and frames as was the contract"
So if the sash is filled more than likely the frame will also be filled. Heaven forbid anyone doing something easy!
"The windows were labeled by the manufacturer as foam filled sashes and frames as was the contract"
So if the sash is filled more than likely the frame will also be filled. Heaven forbid anyone doing something easy!
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handyman19619
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Obtuse that was mean!! He made a good point. The sashes were to be filled also ,I never thought about it but he is right remove a tilt latch or sash pin and have a look.
I still say drill a hole where a scew was you should see something too.
I do agree a manufactuer has no reason to cheat an order what do they have to gain "nothing"
Are you sure you arent from Missouri "Show Me" state
The reason I asked you earlier what brand of windows you bought and where is I know several factory Reps that would be glad to come out and prove or disprove your worries. Call your installers factory rep and arrange a meeting . Most are very helpful and accessable(thats their job)
Obtuse on a personal note quit picking fights you wont finish because you are bored. Be helpful or leave it alone.
I still say drill a hole where a scew was you should see something too.
I do agree a manufactuer has no reason to cheat an order what do they have to gain "nothing"
Are you sure you arent from Missouri "Show Me" state
The reason I asked you earlier what brand of windows you bought and where is I know several factory Reps that would be glad to come out and prove or disprove your worries. Call your installers factory rep and arrange a meeting . Most are very helpful and accessable(thats their job)
Obtuse on a personal note quit picking fights you wont finish because you are bored. Be helpful or leave it alone.
again thx all-after checking my options
I drilled 3/8 in 4 sides
Found no insulation in the frames/
Contract said foam filled
Manufacturer labeled the windows foam filled
guess i have just been taken advantage of... :x
thx for you help
Found no insulation in the frames/
Contract said foam filled
Manufacturer labeled the windows foam filled
guess i have just been taken advantage of... :x
thx for you help