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| Author: | Therecanbonly1 |
| Subject: | Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-01 16:45:58 |
I have been thinking about getting my 15 single pane double hung windows replaced. I so far have had out Thermalsash (salesman came acroos as a car salesman) and Renwal by Anderson. I like the look of wood windows. The house is 35 years old and has hard wood floors throughout and I would like the windows to have the same look. RBA quoted me a price of $10,500 to do all 15 windows. The sample the salesman showed me looked pretty good, but he did not have a full window sample of the wood, just a small corner piece. I had New construction wood Andersen windows in my house growing up and really liked them. Do the RBA actually look like wood? The price seems a bit steep to me; but if they are like wood, I would be OK with it. Or is there a better wood replacement window out there. I have seen MANY posts here saying things like "we all know what this board thinks of RBA"; but as someone just finding this board and going through the posts, I really do not know what this board thinks of Andersen. (Although I know what they think of Joe C). Thanks
| Author: | Therecanbonly1 |
| In Reply To: | Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-01 16:48:44 |
I should mention that I am only concerned with the wood look inside. I would prefer no maintenace outside (which is how the windows were when I was a kid)
| Author: | Ed |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-01 18:53:51 |
Do you want thr look of wood or do you want wood?
If you want wood, and do not care about $ in my oppinion Marvin ultimate is the 'best' wood window, AL clad on outside. If you want the look of wood there are so many
choices.
Ed
| Author: | Therecanbonly1 |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Ed) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-01 20:20:03 |
I would like wood at least on the inside. I would like to stain the windows. Both the companies that I had at the house showed "stainable" surfaces but they pretty much looked like the "wood" was the thickness of contact paper. If this will actually provide the look of a wood window, I would be OK with that. If I went with Marvin, would I likely be looking at more than the $10,000 qoted to me by RBA?
| Author: | E-Z |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-01 23:25:39 |
As an ex RBA contractor my sincere opinion about the RBA product would only sound malicious.Plus's? At least you are not in the San Fran Bay Area as that job would be around 17k. Just get in writing that your miters on the wood veneer will be clean from buldging up make them guarantee it and also ask for the performance statements on the window from what i hear they always give the runaround about their specs. aLSO COMPARE THE MILGARD WOOD CLAD'S
E-Z
| Author: | Dean S |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-02 01:20:59 |
I sell Marvin and the price usually is in line with RBA and Pella. I have seen the wood interior for Renewal drive the price up significantly higher than Marvin. It won't hurt to get a quote. I think you'll find many reasons on this discussion board why Marvin is the best wood window.
| Author: | CBS |
| In Reply To: | Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-02 01:57:33 |
I just had RBA installed, I got the wood on the inside and they are stained to match my woodwork. I also have all hardwood floors and do not want anything but wood on the inside. Wood windows that are clad are nice till the wood rots, at least that was what happened with my Pella windows in a previous house.
Do your homework and don't rely a lot on this site. There are many people who only support what they sell, they slam other windows but never say why there windows are better.
| Author: | Marv F |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by CBS) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-02 03:19:59 |
CBS wrote:
Do your homework and don't rely a lot on this site. There are many people who only support what they sell, they slam other windows but never say why there windows are better.
I agree that homework is important. These two don't appear to be biased because they are selling something else, however.
http://www.replacement-windows.com/window-board/read.php?board=1&id=10934
| Author: | Dean S |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by CBS) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-02 05:36:20 |
CBS,
You're wrong. There are some salesmen on this board (I am one) but they are the exception rather than the rule.
If you read the pages and pages of posts you'll see dozens of window brands and all of their plusses and minuses exposed. You can also research why your Pella windows rotted.
You'll also see some sweeping generalizations such as yours.
Dean
| Author: | Therecanbonly1 |
| In Reply To: | Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-02 17:56:59 |
OK, I just spoke to Window Wizards (Someone else just mentioned these guys). They came out to give me an estimate. They told me that they would install Andersen series 400 windows in my house, again all 15 windows, fo $9000. With this quote being $1000 less than RBA, why would anyone not get new construction windows on their house?
| Author: | E-Z |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-03 02:45:17 |
Quote by Therecanbonly1 ( With this quote being $1000 less than RBA, why would anyone not get new construction windows on their house?)
THANK YOU!!!!!! My question as an ex RBA installer in the bay area exactly.
I did a bay window and 2 new constructions 400 series on one of my customers for 6 k. RBA quoted them 11k
Is people that do not do their homework like all the homeowners in this site that get ripped off by the sawdust window company(rba).
E-z
E-z Windows
http://www.eazywindows.com
| Author: | E-Z |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Therecanbonly1) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-03 03:01:50 |
Quote by Therecanbonly1 ( With this quote being $1000 less than RBA, why would anyone not get new construction windows on their house?)
THANK YOU!!!!!! My question as an ex RBA installer in the bay area exactly.
I did a bay window and 2 new constructions 400 series on one of my customers for 6 k. RBA quoted them 11k
Is people that do not do their homework like all the homeowners in this site that get ripped off by the sawdust window company(rba).
E-z
E-z Windows
http://www.eazywindows.com
| Author: | CBS |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Dean S) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-03 04:15:32 |
Dean,
I can read lots of things on this site. How would I know what was true and what was not? I am not saying that you are honest but I am sure there are those that are not.
CBS
| Author: | CBS |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Marv F) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-03 04:18:33 |
Marv,
I read these from this site before I bought RBA. I also talked to lots of happy RBA customers in my area.
Are they any windows out there with NO complaints against them? I sort of doubt it. Anderson sells a lot of windows, even if their complaint percentage is lower than other manufactures they would still have a larger number of complaints if they sell more windows.
CBS
| Author: | Window4U (IL) |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by CBS) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-03 04:40:31 |
CBS,...If a pro spends his evenings on here giving advice month after month instead of doing other things, like snuggling up with the wife on the couch or watching TV, he probably has a passion for this business, and a compulsion to help people.
If you read long enough, you will sort out those who really want to selflessly help, and those few that are here for nothing but financial gain. The latter do not stay long.
| Author: | CBS |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Window4U (IL)) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-05 02:18:01 |
Good point
Thanks,
CBS
| Author: | Scott Phillippi |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Marv F) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-22 23:23:31 |
I must say that it's a shame that these people feel this way and are so disatisfied. I tend to believe they are quite the exception rather than the rule. I was just down in N.J. and saw several renewal by andersen trucks at a house next to my mothers home in Cherry Hill and was quite impressed by what was happening. I have been in the window business for 22 years now and know what I am talking about.
The neighbor told me that the first renewal by andersen windows that had been installed had been mismeasured or misordered and were too short for the opening and that the dealer had gone out of business. However, renewal by andersen corporate was standing behind the product and service so much that they brought crews in from as far away as Pittsburgh,Pa. and provided 22 new windows at no cost to the homeowner and was in the process of installing them. I spoke to the installers themselves as I also have installed or supervised the installation of literally tens of thousands of windows. They told me that there were several jobs in that area that were mishandled and renewal by andersen was taking care of every one with the same concern for the customers satisfaction.
I don't know about you but that screams integrity to me.I was very impressed with the ethics of a company that would stand behind their product and service in this way.
I also got the chance to examine the window and I have to say that it is possibly the best replacement window I have seen in my 22+ years in this business. I'm now going to see what I can do about associating myself with this company.
| Author: | Window man |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Scott Phillippi) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-23 12:35:34 |
i too looked at Aw and was in dark why they are so much for a bi-product of new wood windows? yes the are scrap from wood pile made into windows and you pay more than any vinyl window on market.
| Author: | Window man |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by E-Z) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-23 12:37:43 |
you are so right, its made of scrap
| Author: | Scott P. |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Window man) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-23 23:11:07 |
They are probably more expensive than vinyl windows because they are quite a bit better and at least twice as strong as vinyl windows. A company in N.E. where I live called New Pro charges as much and frankly much more for regular vinyl replacement windows. This is again based on my, and I have figured it out exactly, 25 years of experience in the window industry. I would imagine this experience gives me the expertise to be considered at the least an authority on the subject every bit as qualified as the Window man.
| Author: | Scott P. |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Window man) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-26 23:42:55 |
You are misguided. The "scrap" is wood fibers mixed with vinyl to produce an extrusion that is more than two times as strong as any vinyl window extrusion on the market. Thus they can be smaller and give you more glass area and still be much much stronger than a vinyl replacement window. Modern technology often takes plain materials and turns them into very high performing substances that are far better than the original.
| Author: | Randy |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Scott P.) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-29 02:29:39 |
If you think that the Renewal window is "at least twice as strong as vinyl windows", you don't have a clue about which you speak. The Renewal window IS a vinyl window, it is a VINYL window with sawdust in it.
If you spend another 25 years in the business, maybe you will be half as smart as the Window Man.
| Author: | Scott P |
| In Reply To: | RE: Renewal by Andersen (posted by Randy) |
| Subject: | RE: Renewal by Andersen |
| Posted At: | 2004-09-29 23:57:53 |
Hi Randy,
Actually I am quite smart. Smart enough to actually test the strength of the jamb extrusions and compare them to some of the strongest vinyl extrusions on the market. I assume you know what an extrusion is. The jamb section of a Renewal by Andersen is stronger by far than any pure vinyl extrusion on the market. I include the German extrusions produced by Trocal and the KomKraft.
I would also put my window credentials up against anyone.
Unlike many people who base their opinions on what someone else says, I actually take the time to make sure that what I say is as accuarate as possible because unlike some, I don't like looking like an ignorant window wanna be.
Thanks for your comments,
Scott P.